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== NetInstall Description ==
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NetInstall is a program that runs on Windows computer that allows you to install, reinstall or reset MikroTiK RouterOS onto a PC or onto a RouterBOARD via Ethernet cable.
=Introduction=


You can download Netinstall on [http://www.mikrotik.com/download.html our download page].
Netinstall is a tool designed for Windows operating systems to reinstall MikroTik devices running RouterOS (except for non-MikroTik x86 devices). Netinstall re-formats the device's disk and copies over fresh files on to the system's disk, this can solve multiple issues when your device is not working properly. Always try using Netinstall if you suspect that your device is not working properly.


* Your device must support booting from ethernet, and there must be a direct ethernet link from the Netinstall computer to the target device. All RouterBOARDs support network booting from Ether1 port. Exceptions are RB1100 / RB1200 and CCR devices which support network booting from the last ethernet port.
{{ Warning | Netinstall re-formats the system's drive, all configuration and saved files will be lost. Netinstall does not erase the RouterOS license key, nor does it reset RouterBOOT related settings, for example, CPU frequency is not changed after reinstalling the device. }}


* Netinstall can also directly install RouterOS on a disk (USB/CF/IDE/SATA (might require Legacy settings)) that is connected to the Netinstall Windows machine. After installation just move the disk to the Router machine and boot from it.
=How to use Netinstall=


{{Warning| All files stored on built in storage will be erased during Netinstall process. }}
* Download '''Netinstall''' from [https://mikrotik.com/download our downloads] page.


== Interface ==
{{ Note | You must choose a version for the Netinstall. If you are not sure, then you can always select the version that is marked as '''Current''' (stable). }}


The following options are available in the Netinstall window:  
* Download RouterOS '''Main package''' from [https://mikrotik.com/download our downloads] page.


* '''Routers/Drives''' - list of PC drives, and in the routers that were detected near the Netinstall PC
{{ Note | You must choose a RouterOS version. You can always select the version that is marked as '''Current'''. You must also select the architecture (ARM, MIPS, SMIPS, TILE, etc...), but if you are not sure, then you can download the RouterOS package for '''ALL''' architectures, Netinstall will choose the right architecture for you. }}
* '''Make floppy''' - used to create a bootable 1.44" floppy disk for PCs which don't have Etherboot support
* '''Net booting''' - used to enable PXE booting over network (your default choice)
* '''Install/Cancel''' - after selecting the router and selecting the RouterOS packages below, use this to start install
* '''SoftID''' - the SoftID that was generated on the router. Use this to purchase your key
* '''Key''' / '''Browse''' - apply the purchased key here, or leave blank to install a 24h trial
* '''Get key''' - get the key from your mikrotik.com account directly
* '''Flashfig''' - launch [[Flashfig]] - the mass config utility which works on brand new devices
* '''Keep old configuration''' - keeps the configuration that was on the router, just reinstalls software (no reset)
* '''IP address''' / "Netmask''' - enter IP address and netmask in CIDR notation to preconfigure in the router
* '''Gateway''' - default gateway to preconfigure in the router
* '''Baud rate''' - default serial port baud-rate to preconfigure in the router
* '''Configure script''' RouterOS export file [[Manual:Configuration_Management#Exporting_Configuration|produced by the export command]]). Any file supplied here will become the default configuration of the reinstalled router.


== Screenshot ==
* Disconnect your computer from WiFi, Ethernet, LTE or any other type of connections!


[[File:2009-01-27 1224.jpg]]
{{ Warning | Netinstall will only work on one active interface on your computer, it is highly recommended that you disable any other network interfaces in order to be sure that Netinstall will select the right network interface. }}


* for installation over network, don't forget to enable the PXE server, and make sure Netinstall is not blocked by your firewall or antivirus. The connection should be directly from your Windows PC to the Router PC (or RouterBOARD), or at least through a switch/hub.
* Configure a static IP address for your Ethernet interface, open '''Start''' and select '''Settings''':


[[File:Netinstall_Win10_4.png]]
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{{ Note | Netinstall can run also on a local network, in such case you could skip setting a static IP address, but it is highly recommended that you set a static IP address if you are not familiar with Netinstall. }}


* Open '''Network & Internet'''


== NetInstall Example ==
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_5.png]]
This is a step by step example of how to install RouterOS on a RouterBOARD from a typical notebook computer.  


====Requirements====
* Select '''Change adapter options'''


* Ethernet port.  
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_6.png]]
* The .npk RouterOS file(s) (not .zip file) of the RouterOS version that you wish to install onto the Routerboard.
* The NetInstall program available from the Downloads page at www.mikrotik.com
* It is recommended to disable any other Network interfaces in your PC, leave only the one which is connected to your router


====Connection process====
* '''Right click''' on your Ethernet interface and select '''Properties'''


#Connect the RouterBOARD to a switch, a hub or directly to the computer via Ethernet. The computer Ethernet port will need to be configured with a usable IP address and subnet. For example: 10.1.1.10/24 (In Windows devices when static IP is being used, then you might require default gateway specified).
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_7.png]]
#Make sure that there are not other bootp servers running in your layer 2 network.
#Make sure that the firewall on the computer is disabled.
#Make sure that the computer network interface which is used for installation process is the only one enabled (for example, if computer has Ethernet and wireless interfaces available, then disable the one which is not connected to Netinstall subnet). Make sure that interfaces are disabled before you open Netinstall tool.
#Run the Netinstall program on your computer aa an administrator.
#Press the Netinstall "Net booting" button, enable "Boot Server enabled"  and enter a valid, usable IP address (within the same subnet of the computer IP address) that the Netinstall program will assign to the RouterBOARD to enable communication with the computer. For example: 10.1.1.5/24.
#Start the RouterBOARD device with the [[Manual: Reset button | RESET button]] pushed, until you see the device in the Netinstall program interface.


{{Note| It is possible to run Netinstall tool also on macOS and Linux using Wine.}}
* Select '''Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)''' and click '''Properties'''
{{Note| Netinstall process is not in any way affected by the RouterOS version installed on the router. Netinstall must work if it is properly configured, computer is not blocking it and up-to-date Netinstall version is used for each and every RouterBOARD as long as proper [[Manual: RouterBOOT | RouterBOOT]] is installed on the device.}}


==OPTIONAL: Configuring RouterBOARD with COM port==
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_8.png]]


All RouterBOARD devices can be reinstalled by using the above "RESET" button method, but there is an alternative. '''Optionally''', it is also possible to enable Network booting from the RouterBOARD "RouterBOOT" menu, which can be accessed with a serial cable.
* Check '''Use the following IP address''' and fill out the fields as shown in the image below


Default baud rate in Routerboard BIOS is 115200, to access  the configuration menu: reboot the Routerboard while observing the activity on the Serial Console. You will see the following prompt on the Serial Console “Press any key within 2 seconds to enter setup” indicating that you have a 1 or 2 second window of time when pressing any key will give you access to Routerboard BIOS configuration options.  
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_9.png]]


(press any key when prompted):
{{ Note | It you have a working router, then you can use it and skip the setting up a static IP part of this tutorial, but it requires for you to know your LAN address since you will need to specify an unused IP address in your network for the Network boot server. For this reason it is recommended to apply a static IP address and follow this guide precisely, if you are not sure how to get these parameters out of your network. }}


You will see the following list of available BIOS Configuration commands. To set up the boot device, press the 'o' key:
* Open your '''Downloads''' folder (or wherever you saved the downloaded files) and extract the Netinstall '''.zip''' file to a convenient place
What do you want to configure?
  d - boot delay
  k - boot key
  s - serial console
  l - debug level
  o - boot device
  b - beep on boot
  v - vga to serial
  t - ata translation
  p - memory settings
  m - memory test
  u - cpu mode
  f - pci back-off
  r - reset configuration
  g - bios upgrade through serial port
  c - bios license information
  x - exit setup


Next Selection: Press the 'e' key to make the RouterBoard to boot from Ethernet interface:
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_1.png]]


Select boot device:
* Extract the files
* i - IDE
  e - Etherboot
  1 - Etherboot (timeout 15s), IDE
  2 - Etherboot (timeout  1m), IDE
  3 - Etherboot (timeout  5m), IDE
  4 - Etherboot (timeout 30m), IDE
  5 - IDE, try Etherboot first on next boot (15s)
  6 - IDE, try Etherboot first on next boot (1m)
  7 - IDE, try Etherboot first on next boot (5m)
  8 - IDE, try Etherboot first on next boot (30m)


[[File:Netinstall_Win10_2.png]]


The RouterBoard BIOS will return to the first menu. Press the 'x' key to exit from BIOS. The router will reboot.
* Run '''Netinstall.exe'''
* Make sure boot-protocol is '''bootp'''.


====Installation====
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_3.png]]
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{{ Note | If you followed the guide precisely, then you should not have any Internet connection on your computer, Windows 10 wants to verify all apps that it runs, but will not be able to do it since lack of the Internet connection, for this reason a warning might pop up, you should click '''Run'''. }}


Watch the serial console as the RouterBoard reboots, it will indicate that the RouterBoard is attempting to boot to the NetInstall program.  
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_10.png]]
The NetInstall program will give the RouterBoard the IP address you entered at Step 4 (above), and the RouterBoard will be ready for software installation. Now you should see the MAC Address of the RouterBoard appear in the Routers/Drives list of the NetInstall program.  
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{{ Warning | Netinstall requires administrator rights, there should be a window asking for permissions to run Netinstall, you must accept these permissions in order for Netinstall to work properly. }}


[[Image:NetinstallStart.png]]
* Allow access for Netinstall in '''Public''' networks


Click on the desired Router/Drive entry and you will be able to configure various installation parameters associated with that Router/Drive entry.
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_11.png]]


[[Image:Nconfig.PNG]]
* Configure '''Net booting''' settings and fill out the required fields as shown in the image below


'''For most Re-Installations of RouterOS on RouterBoards you will only need to set the following parameter:'''
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_12.png]]


Press the "Browse" button on the NetInstall program screen. Browse to the folder containing the .npk RouterOS file(s) of the RouterOS version that you wish to install onto the Routerboard.  
{{ Warning | The Client IP address must be unique! Don't use an existing IP address in your network, this also means that you should not use the computer's IP address as well. Use a completely different IP address from the same subnet. }}


[[Image:NConfig3.png]]
* Connect your device to your computer using an '''Ethernet''' cable directly (without any other devices in-between), plug the Ethernet cable into your device's Etherboot port. Most commonly, RouterBOARD devices are able to use Netinstall from their first port (Ether1), or from the port marked with "BOOT".


When you have finalized the installation parameters, press the "Install" button to install RouterOS.


[[Image:NetinstallC4.png]]


When the installation process has finished, press 'Enter' on the console or 'Reboot' button in the NetInstall program.
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_18.png]]


[[Image:NetinstallC5.png]]
{{ Warning | Some computer's have a network interface (especially USB Ethernet adapters) that tend to create an extra link flap, which is enough for Netinstall to fail to detect a device that is in Etherboot mode. In such case you can use a switch between your device and your computer or a router in bridge mode to prevent this issue. }}


====Cleanup====
* Power up your device and put it into [[Manual:Etherboot | Etherboot]] mode


1. Reset the BIOS Configuration of the RouterBoard to boot from its own memory.  
{{ Note | There are multiple ways how to put your device into Etherboot mode. Make sure you read the [[Manual:Etherboot | Etherboot]] manual before trying to put the device into this mode. Methods vary between different MikroTik devices. }}


[[Image:NetinstallC6.png]]
* Wait for the device to show up in Netinstall, select it and press '''Browse...'''


2. Reboot the RouterBoard.
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_13.png]]
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{{ Note | If the device does not show up in this window, then you can try closing the Netinstall application and opening it up again or try to put the device into [[Manual:Etherboot | Etherboot]] mode again. }}


* Navigate to your '''Downloads''' folder (or wherever you saved your RouterOS packages) and press '''OK'''


====Reset RouterOS Password====
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_14.png]]


Netinstall can be used to reset password of RouterOS by erasing all configuration from the router. Uncheck 'Keep Old Configuration' during Netinstall and proceed with standard procedure,
* Select your desired RouterOS version and press '''Install'''


[[Image:PasswordReset.png]]
{{ Note | If you downloaded RouterOS packages for multiple architectures, then Netinstall will only show the appropriate architecture packages for your device after you have selected it. All unsupported packages will not show up in this window after you have selected a device. }}


{{Cont}}
[[File:Netinstall_Win10_15.png]]


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* Wait for the installation to finish and press "Reboot" (Devices without serial console have to be rebooted manually)
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[[File:Netinstall_Win10_17.png]]
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{{ Note | If the installation does not start (progress bar is not moving or no status is shown), then you can try closing the Netinstall application and opening it up again or try to put the device into [[Manual:Etherboot | Etherboot]] mode again. If you still unable to get Netinstall working, then you should try using it on a different computer since there might be an operating system's issue that is preventing Netinstall from working properly. }}
 
* You are done! Remove the device from power, remove the Ethernet cable, place the device back in your network and your device should be running properly now!
 
{{ Note | After using Netinstall the device will be reset to defaults (unless you specified not to apply default configuration). Some devices are not accessible through '''ether1''' port with the default configuration for security reasons. Read more about [[Manual:Default_Configurations | Default configuration]]. }}
 
=Properties=
 
<table class="styled_table">
<tr>
  <th width="35%">Property</th>
  <th >Description</th>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Routers/Drives</b></var></td>
    <td>list of system drives on which RouterOS can be installed and list of routers that were detected to be in [[Manual:Etherboot | Etherboot]] mode. When installing RouterOS on a drive, the drive is going to be formatted, make sure you have saved all information from that drive.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Make floppy</b></var></td>
    <td>used to create a bootable 1.44" floppy disk for PCs which don't have Etherboot support.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Net booting</b></var> (<em>yes | no</em>; Default: <b>no</b>)</td>
    <td>Used to enable PXE booting on your network, should be enabled and configured to have an IP address of your network in order for Netinstall to function properly.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Install/Cancel</b></var></td>
    <td>After selecting the router or drive and selecting the RouterOS packages below, use this to start or stop the installation.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>SoftID</b></var> (<em>Ready-only</em>)</td>
    <td>The Software-ID that belongs to the router. Use this ID to purchase a key for your device if required.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Key</b></var> (<em>use previous key | browse | get key</em>; Default: <b>use previous key</b>)</td>
    <td>Specify the licence key for your RouterOS device, use the previous key (if your device already has a licence key), apply the purchased key (if your device does not have a license) by selecting <var>Browse</var> or retrieve a key from your mikrotik.com account directly using a prepaid key, a deposit or credit card by selecting <var>Get key</var>, or leave it blank to install a 24h trial version (the device will not be accessible after the trial has expired).</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Flashfig</b></var></td>
    <td>Launches the [[Manual:Flashfig | Flashfig]] utility, which can be used to apply a custom configuration on new devices easy and fast.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Keep old configuration</b></var> (<em>yes | no</em>; Default: <b>no</b>)</td>
    <td>Keeps the configuration that was on the router, just reinstalls the software (does not remove the current configuration)/</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>IP address/Netmask</b></var> (<em>IP address/Netmask</em>; Default: <b></b>)</td>
    <td>If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified IP address after installing RouterOS.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Gateway</b></var> (<em>IP address</em>; Default: <b></b>)</td>
    <td>If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified gateway address after installing RouterOS.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Baud rate</b></var> (<em>integer</em>; Default: <b>115200</b>)</td>
    <td>If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified baudrate for serial console after installing RouterOS.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Apply default config</b></var> (<em>yes | no</em>; Default: <b>no</b>)</td>
    <td>Applies default configuration on the device. If not selected and <var>Baud rate</var>, <var>Gateway</var>, <var>IP address/Netmask</var> and <var>Configure script</var> is not set, then the default configuration will be applied.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
    <td><var><b>Configure script</b></var> (<em>yes | no</em>; Default: <b>no</b>)</td>
    <td>If set, then Netinstall will apply a custom configuration script after installing RouterOS. The file must be in '''.rsc''' file format and must be produced by the [[Manual:Configuration_Management#Exporting_Configuration | export command]]. The configuration script will replace the device's default configuration and will be applied each time you reset your device back to the default configuration. Resetting the device without the default configuration is not affected. This behaviour can be reverted using Netinstall and by selecting <var>Apply default config</var>.</td>
</tr>
</table>
 
{{ Note | When using the <var><b>Configure script</b></var> option, it is suggested to introduce [https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Configuration_Management#Startup_delay delay] before configuration execution. }}
 
[[Category:Manual]]
[[Category:Basic]]

Latest revision as of 14:53, 23 May 2022

Introduction

Netinstall is a tool designed for Windows operating systems to reinstall MikroTik devices running RouterOS (except for non-MikroTik x86 devices). Netinstall re-formats the device's disk and copies over fresh files on to the system's disk, this can solve multiple issues when your device is not working properly. Always try using Netinstall if you suspect that your device is not working properly.

Warning: Netinstall re-formats the system's drive, all configuration and saved files will be lost. Netinstall does not erase the RouterOS license key, nor does it reset RouterBOOT related settings, for example, CPU frequency is not changed after reinstalling the device.


How to use Netinstall

Note: You must choose a version for the Netinstall. If you are not sure, then you can always select the version that is marked as Current (stable).


Note: You must choose a RouterOS version. You can always select the version that is marked as Current. You must also select the architecture (ARM, MIPS, SMIPS, TILE, etc...), but if you are not sure, then you can download the RouterOS package for ALL architectures, Netinstall will choose the right architecture for you.


  • Disconnect your computer from WiFi, Ethernet, LTE or any other type of connections!

Warning: Netinstall will only work on one active interface on your computer, it is highly recommended that you disable any other network interfaces in order to be sure that Netinstall will select the right network interface.


  • Configure a static IP address for your Ethernet interface, open Start and select Settings:


Note: Netinstall can run also on a local network, in such case you could skip setting a static IP address, but it is highly recommended that you set a static IP address if you are not familiar with Netinstall.


  • Open Network & Internet

  • Select Change adapter options

  • Right click on your Ethernet interface and select Properties

  • Select Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4) and click Properties

  • Check Use the following IP address and fill out the fields as shown in the image below

Note: It you have a working router, then you can use it and skip the setting up a static IP part of this tutorial, but it requires for you to know your LAN address since you will need to specify an unused IP address in your network for the Network boot server. For this reason it is recommended to apply a static IP address and follow this guide precisely, if you are not sure how to get these parameters out of your network.


  • Open your Downloads folder (or wherever you saved the downloaded files) and extract the Netinstall .zip file to a convenient place

  • Extract the files

  • Run Netinstall.exe


Note: If you followed the guide precisely, then you should not have any Internet connection on your computer, Windows 10 wants to verify all apps that it runs, but will not be able to do it since lack of the Internet connection, for this reason a warning might pop up, you should click Run.



Warning: Netinstall requires administrator rights, there should be a window asking for permissions to run Netinstall, you must accept these permissions in order for Netinstall to work properly.


  • Allow access for Netinstall in Public networks

  • Configure Net booting settings and fill out the required fields as shown in the image below

Warning: The Client IP address must be unique! Don't use an existing IP address in your network, this also means that you should not use the computer's IP address as well. Use a completely different IP address from the same subnet.


  • Connect your device to your computer using an Ethernet cable directly (without any other devices in-between), plug the Ethernet cable into your device's Etherboot port. Most commonly, RouterBOARD devices are able to use Netinstall from their first port (Ether1), or from the port marked with "BOOT".


Warning: Some computer's have a network interface (especially USB Ethernet adapters) that tend to create an extra link flap, which is enough for Netinstall to fail to detect a device that is in Etherboot mode. In such case you can use a switch between your device and your computer or a router in bridge mode to prevent this issue.


  • Power up your device and put it into Etherboot mode

Note: There are multiple ways how to put your device into Etherboot mode. Make sure you read the Etherboot manual before trying to put the device into this mode. Methods vary between different MikroTik devices.


  • Wait for the device to show up in Netinstall, select it and press Browse...


Note: If the device does not show up in this window, then you can try closing the Netinstall application and opening it up again or try to put the device into Etherboot mode again.


  • Navigate to your Downloads folder (or wherever you saved your RouterOS packages) and press OK

  • Select your desired RouterOS version and press Install

Note: If you downloaded RouterOS packages for multiple architectures, then Netinstall will only show the appropriate architecture packages for your device after you have selected it. All unsupported packages will not show up in this window after you have selected a device.


  • Wait for the installation to finish and press "Reboot" (Devices without serial console have to be rebooted manually)


Note: If the installation does not start (progress bar is not moving or no status is shown), then you can try closing the Netinstall application and opening it up again or try to put the device into Etherboot mode again. If you still unable to get Netinstall working, then you should try using it on a different computer since there might be an operating system's issue that is preventing Netinstall from working properly.


  • You are done! Remove the device from power, remove the Ethernet cable, place the device back in your network and your device should be running properly now!

Note: After using Netinstall the device will be reset to defaults (unless you specified not to apply default configuration). Some devices are not accessible through ether1 port with the default configuration for security reasons. Read more about Default configuration.


Properties

Property Description
Routers/Drives list of system drives on which RouterOS can be installed and list of routers that were detected to be in Etherboot mode. When installing RouterOS on a drive, the drive is going to be formatted, make sure you have saved all information from that drive.
Make floppy used to create a bootable 1.44" floppy disk for PCs which don't have Etherboot support.
Net booting (yes | no; Default: no) Used to enable PXE booting on your network, should be enabled and configured to have an IP address of your network in order for Netinstall to function properly.
Install/Cancel After selecting the router or drive and selecting the RouterOS packages below, use this to start or stop the installation.
SoftID (Ready-only) The Software-ID that belongs to the router. Use this ID to purchase a key for your device if required.
Key (use previous key | browse | get key; Default: use previous key) Specify the licence key for your RouterOS device, use the previous key (if your device already has a licence key), apply the purchased key (if your device does not have a license) by selecting Browse or retrieve a key from your mikrotik.com account directly using a prepaid key, a deposit or credit card by selecting Get key, or leave it blank to install a 24h trial version (the device will not be accessible after the trial has expired).
Flashfig Launches the Flashfig utility, which can be used to apply a custom configuration on new devices easy and fast.
Keep old configuration (yes | no; Default: no) Keeps the configuration that was on the router, just reinstalls the software (does not remove the current configuration)/
IP address/Netmask (IP address/Netmask; Default: ) If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified IP address after installing RouterOS.
Gateway (IP address; Default: ) If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified gateway address after installing RouterOS.
Baud rate (integer; Default: 115200) If set, then Netinstall will apply the specified baudrate for serial console after installing RouterOS.
Apply default config (yes | no; Default: no) Applies default configuration on the device. If not selected and Baud rate, Gateway, IP address/Netmask and Configure script is not set, then the default configuration will be applied.
Configure script (yes | no; Default: no) If set, then Netinstall will apply a custom configuration script after installing RouterOS. The file must be in .rsc file format and must be produced by the export command. The configuration script will replace the device's default configuration and will be applied each time you reset your device back to the default configuration. Resetting the device without the default configuration is not affected. This behaviour can be reverted using Netinstall and by selecting Apply default config.

Note: When using the Configure script option, it is suggested to introduce delay before configuration execution.


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